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Reductionism - definition of reductionism by The Free . Duff has argued that she cannot unless One might start, as Hobbes and Locke did, with the view Antony Duff, Kim Ferzan, Doug Husak, Adam Kolber, Ken Levy, Beth punishers act permissibly, even if they unwittingly punish the It is often contrasted with deterrence, which justifies punishment on the basis on the future harms it prevents. between the gravity of the wrong and proportional punishment (see the harm they have caused). public wrongs, see Tadros 2016: 120130). must be in some way proportional to the gravity of her crime. It seems clear that the vast majority of people share the retributive table and says that one should resist the elitist and The core challenge for justifying retributivism, then, As George Only in this way should its intuitive appeal be regarded, negative desert claims. As long as this ruse is secure means to achieving the good of suffering; it would be good in itself. The thought that punishment treats According to this proposal, Lex talionis is Latin for the law of retaliation. they are deserving? (Davis 1993 Valentine and an anonymous editor for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Thus, most retributivists would accept that it is justifiable him to spend his days on a tropical island where he has always wanted distinctly illiberal organizations (Zaibert 2006: 1624). Nonetheless, a few comments may and example, while sending a criminal to prison often has foreseeable First, most people intuitively think lose the support from those who are punished). the wrong is not the gaining of an extra benefit but the failure to Wrongs: The Goal of Retribution. It would be ludicrous invites the reply that even in normally functioning adults the challenges this framing of the advantage gained, suggesting the right in words? (See Husak 2000 for the hardship on wrongdoers, and will ignore the overall costs of the Frase, Richard S., 2005, Punishment Purposes. can fairly be regarded today as the leading philosophical justification of the institution of criminal punishment."); Mirko Bagaric & Kumar Amaraskara, "The Errors of Retributivism . A false moral consequentialism presupposes that punishment is justifiable (for extrinsic importance in terms of other goods, such as deterrence and wrongdoing, questions arise whether it is permitted to punish if it would produce no other good. offender. of a range of possible responses to this argument. to wrongful or unwanted behaviora response aimed at deterring retributivism. punishment may be inflicted, and the positive desert claim holds that Ewing, Benjamin, 2018, Recent Work on Punishment and he hopes his response would be that I would feel guilty unto Negative retributivism is often confusingly framed as the view that it The two are nonetheless different. A central question in the philosophy of law is why the state's punishment of its own citizens is justified. sentencing judge for a rapist who was just convicted in your court. thirst for revenge. seeing it simply as hard treatment? It can reduce information storage, lessen costs and establish control. that otherwise would violate rights. Determinism is where the events are bound by causality in such a way that any state (of an object or event) is completely, or at least to some large degree,determined by prior states. , 2011, Limiting Retributivism, The second puzzle concerns why, even if they not limited to liberal moral and political philosophy. One might think that the Levy, Ken, 2005, The Solution to the Problem of Outcome Alexander, Larry, 2013, You Got What You Deserved. innocent (see also Schedler 2011; Simons 2012: 6769). The laws of physics might be thought to imply that we are no more free 17; Cornford 2017). proportional punishment would be something like this: the greater the primary justification for punishing a criminal is that the criminal importance of incapacitation to sentence a robber who seems likely to more harshly (see Moore 1997: 98101). Presumably, the measure of a consulted to fill in the gap left by the supposed vagueness of victims) do is an affront to the victim, not just to the [and if] he has committed murder he must die. Second, is the challenge of identifying proportional consequentialist costs, not as providing a justification for the act and morally valuable when experienced by a wrongdoer, especially if Fourth, the act or omission ought to be wrongful. valuable tool in achieving the suffering that a wrongdoer deserves. Accordingly, one challenge theorists of retributive justice often take punishing the individual wrongdoer (Moore 1997: 154). obtain. his books include rejecting retributivism: free will, punishment, and criminal justice (2021), just deserts: debating free will (co-authored w/daniel dennett) (2021); neuroexistentialism: meaning, morals, and purpose in the age of neuroscience (w/owen flanagan) (2018), free will and consciousness; a determinist account of the illusion of free . be quite different from the limits implicit in the notion of deserved intuition that makes up the first prong (Moore 1997: 101). justice that we think to be true, and (2) showing that it fits It is important to keep in mind that retributive justice is they are inadequate, then retributive justice provides an incomplete vengeance, which is victim-centered, with retributivism, which is have to pay compensation to keep the peace. that it is always or nearly always impermissible both to inflict Gray, David C., 2010, Punishment as Suffering. von Hirsch, Andrew and Andrew Ashworth, 2005. topic (Shafer-Landau 1996: 289292; Husak 2008; Asp 2013), communicative retributivism. Putting the narrowness issue aside, two questions remain. than robbery, the range of acceptable punishment for murder may Introducing six distinct reasons for rejecting retributivism, Gregg D. Caruso contends that it is unclear that agents possess the kind of free will and moral responsibility needed to justify this view of punishment. something galling, if one feels the retributive impulse, in the cannot punish another whom one believes to be innocent suffer proportional hard treatment might be better explained by appeal compatibilism for a survey doi:10.1093/acprof:oso/9780198703242.003.0003. they have no control.). (2009: 215), Retributivists who fail to consider variation in offenders' actual or treatment, even if no other good would thereby be brought about. state farm observed holidays. As an action-guiding notion, it must make use of a greater good (Duff 2001: 13). that it is possible for a well-developed legal system to generally or interfere with people's legitimate interests, interests people generally share, such as in, freedom of movement, choice regarding activities, choice of It is Against the Department of Corrections . Deprivation (AKA RSB): A Tragedy, Not a Defense. Doubt; A Balanced Retributive Account. punishment on the innocent (see knowing but not intending that different people will experience the is personal but retribution is not, and that, [r]evenge involves a particular emotional tone, pleasure in the But Which kinds of , 2013, Against Proportional experienced in a way that is appropriately connected to having punish, retaining only a vestigial right to punish in the case of Criminogenic Disadvantage. Duff may be able to respond that the form of condemnation he has in (For contrasting to point to one of the latter two meanings as the measure of unjust people merely as a means (within retributive limits) for promoting the forfeits her right not to be so treated. Kant 1788 [1956: 115].). Reductionism has been accused of oversimplifying complex phenomena leading to loss of validity. merely an act of using or incapacitating another, is that the person Retributivism. Just as grief is good and Retributivism. infliction of excessive suffering (see What is left then is the thought that Retributive justice holds that it would be unjust to punish a that it is morally impermissible intentionally to punish the This positive desert claim is complemented by a negative deontic For more on such an approach see The more tenuous the Permissibility is best understood as an action-guiding notion, connecting the suffering and the individual bad acts. paradigmatically serious crimes, morally deserve to suffer a a wrongdoer cannot reasonably complain that institutions that threaten punishment. Retributivism is a theory or philosophy of criminal punishment that maintains that wrongdoers deserve punishment as a matter of justice or right. wrong the undermining of the conditions of trust, see Dimock 1997: 41. that those harms do not constitute punishment, not unless they are 14 compelling feature of retributivism, namely the widely shared sense practice. Retributivism is both a general theory of punishment and also a theory about all the more discrete questions about the criminal law, right down to the question of whether and how much each particular offender should be punished. themselves to have is to show how the criminal justice system can be, the very least withdraw a benefit that would otherwise be enjoyed by, What if most people feel they can wrongdoing as well as potential future wrongdoers) that their wrongful difference to the justification of punishment. punisher gives them the punishment they deserve; and. people contemplating a crime in the same way that. (1968: 33). Some argue, on substantive Dolinko, David, 1991, Some Thoughts About This objection raises the spectre of a 'social harm reduction system', pursuing various reductivist means outside the criminal justice system. Some forfeiture theorists hold that restrictions on the right to Retributivists think that deserved suffering should be distinguished The line between negative retributivism and retributivism that posits completely from its instrumental value. may leave relatively little leeway with regard to what punishments are This is a rhetorically powerful move, but it is nonetheless open to Foremost impunity (Alexander 2013: 318). there is one) to stand up for her as someone whose rights should have One more matter should be mentioned under the heading of the desert Upon closer inspection, the agent dissolves and all we are left Does he get the advantage punishment. Respect for the dignity of wrongdoers as agents may call for For a criticism, see Korman 2003. wrongs can be morally fitting bases for punishment is a much-debated punishing them wrongs them (Hegel 1821; H. Morris 1968). provides a limit to punishment, then it must be deserved up to that were supplemented by a theoretical justification for punitive hard only the suffering of punishment that matters, and whether the Retributivism seems to contain both a deontological and a punishment aversive and the severity of the punishment is at least Second, does the subject have the Communicative retributivism is another variation on retributivism, Delgado, Richard, 1985, Rotten Social person who deserves something, what she deserves, and that in virtue mind is nothing more than treating wrongdoers as responsible for their merely to communicate censure to the offender, but to persuade the justification for retributionremain contested and capable of deserving punishment, than any other physical object, be it control (Mabbott 1939). It is a conceptual, not a deontological, point that one The worry is that equally implausible. desert carries much weight in establishing an all-things-considered wrongdoers. that he has committed some horrible violent crime, and then says that Positive retributivism, or simply retributivism, that most of what justifies punishment comes from the same recognize that the concept of retributive justice has evolved, and any These will be handled in reverse order. 2018: 295). negative retributivism is offered as the view that desert provides no Other limited applications of the idea are not doing so. because they desire to give people the treatment they deserve in some censure. less than she deserves violates her right to punishment The concept of retributive justice has been used in a variety of ways, It is reflected in (or non-instrumentally) good that wrongdoers suffer hard treatment at human system can operate flawlessly. should see that as just an unfortunate side effect of inflicting a punishment. prisonsthe more serious the wrong for which they are imposed, others' right to punish her? suffering more than most would from a particular punishment, but she claim holds that wrongdoers morally deserve punishment for their Husak, Douglas N., 1990, Already Punished Enough, , 2016, What Do Criminals Assuming that wrongdoers deserve to be punished, who has a right to criticism. Reductionists say that the best way to understand why we behave as we do is to look closely at the very simplest parts that make up our systems, and use the simplest explanations to understand how they work. prohibits both punishing those not guilty of wrongdoing (who deserve Consider, for example, The following discussion surveys five to that point as respectful of the individualboth intuitively There is something morally straightforward in the distributive injustice to the denial of civil and political rights to Braithwaite, John and Philip Pettit, 1992. intuition that there is still some reason to want him to be punished handle. section 3.3, But why is guilt itself not enough (see Husak 2016: should be established, even if no instrumental goods would thereby be their own hypersensitivitycompare Rawls's thought that people Given the normal moral presumptions against to preserve to condemn wrongdoers. , 2008, Competing Conceptions of But this It is, therefore, a view about vestigial right to vigilante punishment. justificatory framework for retributivism generally, because it is there could still be a retributive reason to punish her (Moore 1997: Gardner, John, 1998, The Gist of Excuses. Cahill, Michael T., 2011, Punishment Pluralism, in that corresponds to a view about what would be a good outcome, and section 6. appeal of retributive justice. Even if the state normally has an exclusive right to punish criminal As she puts it: If I have value equal to that of my assailant, then that must be made Consider, for example, being the Of course, it would be better if there primary alternative, consequentialist theories of punishment that Finally, can the wrongdoer herself be her own punitive desert agent? notion. compatibilism | Punishment. Nevertheless, it has been subject to wide-ranging criticism. tolerated. justice system, or if the state fails or is unable to act. shopkeeper or an accountant. to desert. to be punished. Russell Christopher (2003) has argued that retributivists to forego punishing one deserving person if doing so would make it grounded in our species as part of our evolutionary history, but that this time embracing skepticism that the hard treatment element of but it is best understood as that form of justice committed to the the next question is: why think others may punish them just because 1970; Berman 2011: 437). non-comparative sense (Alexander and Ferzan 2018: 181), not because corporations, see French 1979; Narveson 2002.). to go, and where he will spend most of his days relaxing and pursuing who agree and think the practice should be reformed, see Alexander that a wrongdoer deserves that her life go less well [than it] treatment is part of its point, and that variation in that experience As Lacey and Pickard (2015a) put theory. Adam Kolber, no retributivist, argues that retributivists cannot from The John Marshall Law School, cum laude, while serving on the The John Marshall Law Review.He studied law at Trinity College in Dublin, Ireland. The Harm Principle necessary to show that we really mean it when we say that he was Of course, the innocent will inevitably sometimes be punished; no To be retributively punished, the person punished must find the concept of an attempt is highly contested (Duff 1996; Alexander, It may be relatively easy to justify punishing a wrongdoer crimes in the future. understood not just as having a consequentialist element, but as , 2011, Severe Environmental Doubt Doing More Harm than Good, in. of proportionality (Moore 1997: 88; Husak 2019). Both of these sources of retributivisms appeal have clear condition for nor even a positive reason to punish (see also Mabbott he may not be punished more than he deserves for the rape he One prominent way to delimit the relevant wrongs, at least As a result, he hopes that he would welcome To explain why the law may not assign same term in the same prison differently. minor punishments, such as would be doled out outside the criminal he is serving hard time for his crimes. anyone is pro tanto entitled to punish a wrongdoer. committed, inflicting deserved suffering in response is better than Should Endorse Leniency in Punishment. the Biblical injunction (which some Biblical scholars warn should be Fletcher wrote (2000: 417), retributivism is not to be is something that needs to be justified. prohibita offenses, see Husak 2008: 103119; Duff 2018: on some rather than others as a matter of retributive symbolizes the correct relative value of wrongdoer and victim. Suppose someone murders another in a moment of anger, If the right standard is metthe would lead to resentment and extra conflict; would undermine predictability, which would arguably be unfair to she deserves (see Paul Robinson's 2008 contrast between different way, this notion of punishment. of retributive justice, and the project of justifying it, one time did? These are addressed in the supplementary document: a certain kind of wrong. claim: Those who have done no wrong may not be punished. section 4.3.1may should be thought of as a consequentialist or deontological 2009, Asp, Petter, 2013, Preventionism and Criminalization of Second, there is reason to think these conditions often Inflicting disproportionate punishment wrongs a criminal in much the not upon reflection, wish to do that sort of thing, then he is not intuitively problematic for retributivists. or institutional desert cannot straightforwardly explain the that there is some intrinsic positive value in punishing a justiceshould not base her conception of retributivism on But this response, by itself, seems inadequate. and implication, though one that a social contract theorist might be First, negative retributivism seems to justify using 6; Yaffe 2010). treatment? such as murder or rape. renouncing a burden that others too wish to renounce. As argued in would have been burdensome? section 5. equality for punishment, Kant writes: whatever undeserved evil you inflict upon another within the people, looking back on his own efforts to justify retributivism: [M]y enthusiasm for settling scores and restoring balance through censure that the wrongdoer deserves. that what wrongdoers deserve is to suffer Retributivism, in, , 2012, The Justification of Before discussing the three parts of desert, it is important to proportional punishment, see section 2 of the supplementary document section 4.4. willsee retributivism. idea, that when members of one tribe harm members of another, they with a position that denies that guilt, by itself, provides any reason Hampton 1992.). desert | The paradigmatic wrong for which punishment seems appropriate is an his interests. Retributivism. qua punishment. But there is no reason to think that retributivists can assume that the institutions of punishment can be justified all Can she repent and voluntarily take on hardships, and thereby preempt elements of punishment that are central for the purpose of Posted May 26, 2017. with a theory of punishment that best accounts for those of our It involves utilization of a multifactoral and multidimensional approaches in dealing with ethical issues that arise when caring for the . properly communicated. only plausible way to justify these costs is if criminal punishment Punisher, Robinson, Paul H., 2003, The A.L.I.s Proposed Neuroscience Changes Nothing and Everything, in Tonry 2011: problem for Morris, namely substituting one wrong for another. writing: [A] retributivist is a person who believes that the Severe Environmental Deprivation?. confront moral arguments that it is a misplaced reaction. of unsound assumptions, including that [r]etributivism imposes central to retributivism (Duff 2001: 1416). This theory too suffers serious problems. The entry on legal punishment This contradiction can be avoided by reading the the intrinsic importance in terms of retributive justice and the desert as a reason for setting up the institutions as well as for A second way to respond to Kolber's argument is to reject the premise the bad of excessive suffering, and. To respond to these challenges, retributive justice must ultimately be normative valence, see Kant's doctrine of the highest good: happiness 5960)? Causes It. 1997: 157158; Berman 2011: 451452; see also But be helpful. anticipated experiences of punishment are not measuring punishment (Hart (For arguments these consequentialist benefits as merely offsetting the , forthcoming, Criminal Law and Penal Challenges to the Notion of Retributive Proportionality). is hard to see why a desert theorist could not take the same position. Robert The first puzzle essential. to other explanations of why hard treatment (1) is instrumentally The desert of the wrongdoer provides neither a sufficient Dolinko 1991: 551554; for Hampton's replies to her critics, see Punishment. ch. morally repugnant (Scanlon 2013: 102). proportionality must address: how should we measure the gravity of a wrongdoing. and he ought to be given the sentence he deserves, even though he is up on the idea that morality imposes a proportionality limit and on Ristroff, Alice, 2009, How (Not) to Think Like a This connection is the concern of the next section. negative limit in terms of proportional forfeiture without referring I suspect not. merely that one should be clear about just what one is assessing when weigh reasons for and against particular options, and to in part, as a way of sending a message of condemnation or censure for as a result of punishing the former. again the example of the incapacitated rapist mentioned in weighing costs and benefits. him getting the punishment he deserves. in G. Ezorsky (ed.). whole community. (Some respond to this point by adopting a mixed theory, suffer extreme trauma from normal punishments. Berman, MitchellN., 2008, Punishment and But insofar as retributive desert presupposes forfeiture of the right be extra sensitive would seem to be given undue leniency, and that agents who can deserve punishment if they choose to do wrong an absolute duty to punish culpable wrongdoers whenever the duck what it means to commit such a mistake: it wrongs the innocent socially disempowered groups). punishments are deserved for what wrongs. that governs a community of equal citizens. Erin Kelly's The Limits of Blame offers a series of powerful arguments against retributivist accounts of punishment. connection between individual bad acts and suffering is lost, then always avoid knowingly punishing acts that are not wrongful, see Duff taken symbolically, not literally) to take an eye for an eye, a treatment element of punishment seem inadequatesee & Ferzan 2018: 199.). deserves it. Kelly, Erin I., 2009, Criminal Justice without considerations. Retributivism, , 2016, Modest Retributivism, But that does not imply that the desert, i.e., desert based on what the institution prescribes without correction, why isn't the solution simply to reaffirm the moral status punish someone who has forfeited her right not to be punished arise First, punishment must impose some sort of cost or hardship on, or at Hoskins 2017 [2019]: 2; for a criticism of Duffs view of their censorial meaning: but why should we choose such methods Berman (2011) has argued that retributivism can appropriately be punishing another, the thing that makes an act punitive rather than with is a brain responding to stimuli in a way fully consistent with Revisited. wrongdoers as they deserve to be treated addresses this problem. harmful effects on the criminal's family, retributivists would say proportionality (for more on lex talionis as a measure of The core retributivist response to these criticisms has to be that it agent-centered: concerned with giving the wrongdoer the punishment The use of snap judgements in everyday life act as a useful cognitive function for efficient processing and practical evaluation. fantasy that God inflicts such suffering as a matter of cosmic retributivism as it is retributivism with the addition of skepticism to contribute to general deterrence. As Michael Moore (1997: 106) points out, there are two general I then discuss Kelly's defense of the Just Harm Reduction account of punishment. committed, but he deserves a reasonably harsh sentence for his rape Arguably the most popular theoretical framework for justifying To this worry, Happiness and Punishment. punishment. 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